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Thu, 27 May 2010, 1:55am #1
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skills such as thunder beating, freeze, and sleep for water. and 5 star beating, and hagendis beating for fire. do they lv faster if you use them with specific mobs lv the skills faster or not.
example for fire useing hagendis beating or 5 star beating: does attacking one monster with it give the same skill exp as useing it to attack a pair of monster that are back and front on the same line? and same question for a water useing freeze? and does sleep lv faster when you sleep a group of monster that the skill can target"


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Thu, 27 May 2010, 7:56am #2
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i think and iam sure the skill exp come from the Exp with u geting by killing monster.
so if u kill monster geting 0exp u skill will get 0 exp too
its like in burst the buff/debuff ad u exp and hes skill exp

it means skill exp come from the exp on battle end with EXP u get by using this skill

i hope u can understand it^^


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Thu, 27 May 2010, 12:51pm #3
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if that were true then my fire killer could have lvled her hagendis hit while bursting even though she was a higher lvl because she was getting a lot of exp so I don't think that's true.

You gain proficiency based on the damage you do to the enemy in relation to your lvl. It's like when you start to burst a lvl 12 character and get your skills maxed in less than 10 rounds. But at higher lvls, for example a lvl 180 fighting Cirrus you won't get any proficiency at all. I didn't get soul dodge till my water wit was lvl 180 and no matter how much she uses soul dodge while training she hasn't even made it to 1 proficiency even though she gets about 200 exp from cirrus because she uses freeze and shrink while training.

so a lvl 12 fighting with higher lvl beetles can get proficiency but a lvl 180 fighting with lower lvl cirrus can't get anything proficiency for skills. Based on this I can only say that the proficiency you get towards a skill is based on your lvl in relation to the mobs lvl. If the mob is the same or higher lvl you will gain some proficiency.

As for saying it's based on damage if you look it's easier to lvl attack and hit skills because it focuses your entire attack on 1 mob. The attacks that hit multiple mobs do not. Multi target skills do not take your 1.2k atk and cause damage to each individual mob. It takes your 1.2k atk and divides it amoung the enemies you will damage. That is why multi target attacks seem to cause less damage. Also unlike single target skills, multi target skills can not combo. Meaning less damage is caused to the mob and less proficiency gained.

So in my opinion from what I can tell skills gain lvls based on:
your lvl in relation to the lvl of the mob (mob must be the same or higher lvl)
amount of damage done to a single target

best thing you can do is increase you str/matk as much as you can with equips and find higher lvl mobs that you can fight with and not die.

As for sleep and freeze the more you use it the more proficiency you get. As long as the mobs are around your lvl then it's fine.


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Thu, 27 May 2010, 1:07pm #4
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u misunderstand me a bit ^^ i know my english is bad :D
sarin at bursting debuf and buf give exp^^ hag dont add exp look if u burst u make 30k damge and use buff/debuff u get 10k exp if u dont debuff and buff u get 0 exp if u to high lvl to the burst monster so hag will never get skill exp in bursting only the buffs and debuffs :D

she hasn't even made it to 1 proficiency even though she gets about 200 exp from cirrus because she uses freeze and shrink while training.

yea sure u wouldent get exp in souldodge because souldodge dont add exp there the shriink and freeze did XD
use only souldodge and kill then u will get 0 exp on end^^

Last edited Thu, 27 May 2010, 1:39pm by Noxukau1


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Thu, 27 May 2010, 1:43pm #5
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Nox - Using stronger Attack skills would give more Exp, More Damage - More Exp, If you just poke it wouldn't be the same as Hag hitting =P

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like metatron said using offensive skills give you more damage and more exp so the skills would be infact adding to the exp you get. So during bursting the skill is adding to the exp. That's why I said to gain skill proficiency its a matter of how much damage you do to a single target as long as the mob is at the same lvl or higher than you.


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Thu, 27 May 2010, 2:07pm #7
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hehe XDXD nvm u still dont understand what i mean sorry
i will tray to show it with a table^^

A)burst mop lv40 = ppl fire lvl 150

1.use slow down,mess,gs,hag atk > damage 40k > 20k exp

slow down > + 8k exp = 8k exp skill
mess > + 12k exp = 12k exp skill
gs > + 0k exp = 0k exp skill
hag atk > + 0k exp = 0k exp skill

2.use souldodge,mess,gs,hag atk > damage 40k > 12k exp

souldodge > + 0k exp = 0k exp skill
mess > + 12k exp = 12k exp skill
gs > + 0k exp = 0k exp skill
hag atk > + 0k exp = 0k exp skill

B) mop 150 = ppl fire 150

1.use hag atk > damage 1,5k > 200 exp

Hag atk > + 200exp = 200 exp skill

2.use mess,hag atk > damage 1.5k > 400 exp

mess > + 200exp = 200 exp skill
Hag atk > + 200exp = 200 exp skill

C)mop 50 = ppl fire 150

1.use hag atk > damage 2k > 0 exp

Hag atk > + 0exp = 0 exp skill

2.use mess,hag atk > damage 2k > 200 exp

mess > + 200exp = 200 exp skill
Hag atk > + 0exp = 0 exp skill

so again^^ only this skill get skill exp with add/maked exp too

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Thu, 27 May 2010, 2:20pm #8
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i would like to understand what you are saying. Yes debuffs/buffs will gain proficiency during bursting. But you are saying that only the debuffs and buffs are adding to the exp. But during bursting if I just poke and combo with my cow am I going to get 50k or what exp? no. I'll get maybe 10k exp. If, during bursting, I use my debuff skills in the same order everything is the exact same then I use an attack skill instead of poke and I get 50k exp. I'm sorry but I can't understand how you can say that the skill isn't adding to the exp you gained. Obviously between 10k and 50k exp there is a big difference so it helped using the skill. It added to the exp so to me when you say this it means skill exp come from the exp on battle end with EXP u get by using this skill it sounds like I should get proficiency towards my attack skill. Maybe it's the way you worded things Nox but really that doesn't make sense to me. Only thing I wanted to say was I don't think it's about how much exp you get during battle because during bursting skills add to the exp you get and yet you don't get proficiency. That's why I said it's about the damage you cause to a single mob when the mob is around the same lvl or higher than you are. Because during bursting I do great damage but don't gain proficiency after the battle but if I go and fight a lvl 60 mob when I'm lvl 50 I will gain proficiency.


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Thu, 27 May 2010, 7:26pm #9
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Just as a side note this skills are called AOE (Area of Effect) most people are confused when they see it being called AOE


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Thu, 27 May 2010, 8:15pm #10
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maybe you all misunderstood me. im training my water's freeze and sleep skills i kno they hit multiple targets what im trying to ask is does useing the skill on the right number of monsters give more skill exp than just targeting single monsters. battle example: i target the monsters as they are shown useing either freeze or sleep.
0x
x0
00
00
next fight useing only freeze to freeze the first monster to freeze both monsters.
00
xx
00
00
last fight useing only sleep to sleep all four monsters.
x0
xx
x0
00
does useing the skills to their max targets give better skill exp than just useing the skill on only one monster at a time?
(srry for putting this here but its here for those that dont understand the x's and 0's. the x's are monsters and the 0's are blank spaces)


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Thu, 27 May 2010, 8:21pm #11
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from my experiences.. i reached out that:

for assistant skills, like freez, sleep, terra.. ecc, if u use them on a mob, then u make a big damage on it.. the skill will lvlup lots, like in burst: u use freeze, then fire uses Gs, then attacks, freez became lv 10..

for attacking skills, the mob must be must higher lv then you. thats all, and u gotta attack many times, more attack = more exp for skill.


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Thu, 27 May 2010, 8:30pm #12
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I'm going to say it only matters that you cast the skill on the 1 mob not that you cast the skill on all of the targets it can hit. I havn't really tested this to see if you get more proficiency using it on just 1 mob or all the mobs so I can't say for sure if that's true or not. But I don't think you get more proficiency by using the skill on all the mobs it can hit.

Sorry for the misunderstanding ^_^


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