Ok, this has acctualy been bothering me. and it will continue to do so for a wile untill this is posted XD.

Hagendis Attack;

So many people use Hagendis Beating. But why? Sure it goes up to lvl 15, and thus its 5 points superior to Hagendis hit. And it looks cool with the "Blast Wings" or whatever name you want to give it, but lets look at the facts:(Pease note the DMG may vairy, This is taken on average from my character)

I have a lvl 40 fire warrior with Hagendis attack grade 5, Hagendis hit lvl 10 and Hagendis beating lvl 15.(duh)

This is what I came to realize.. Hagendis attack vs hit, Hit is far superior. Great! what about hit and beating?
With the following STR stat of 280 I get the following results against a Sheep lvl 45 Earth (Hp 348).Using Hagendis Beating using 67 sp with the usual 9 hits (including the finishing blow) I get 52x8 + 59. So with a simple application of maths that sums up to 475 total dmg. But with Hagendis Hit using 49 sp I get 64x8 + 128 which equals to 640 total damage.
This concludes that Hit is 165 dmg more affective than Beating and it costs 18 less mana!

The question is..Why use Hagendis Beating on 1 monster?

Last edited Sun, 28 Dec 2008, 12:59am by ChaosTitan

Becouse it's area of effect? It hits 2 enemies at once x.x

yeah sorry, forgot to mention that people use it against 1 person/monster.

Well no one uses it on one opponent XD to begin with it was never made for attacking 1 monster at once :P

Last edited Sun, 28 Dec 2008, 8:45pm by Viffon

Hagendis Beating is usefull for the Elin's gun quest and the Abysal Devil Challenge in the castle, because you have enemies lined up after eachother.

For use on only 1 target it's a waste of sp, I never use it on one target.

Correct, ChaosTitan! As expecting from you, the Hagendis Hit is indeed more powerful than the Hagendis Beating. Some people use the hagendis beating instead the hagendis hit, can be reasons:

- They don't want get a combo. Dunno what the reason behind here.
- Train the Hagendis Beating to maximum.
- They just don't find out yet that Hagendis Hit is more powerful. (noobs -_-)
- There are 2 mobs who are standing in a nice row. (if not, then... -_-)

If it bothers you, then tell your mates that they must use Hagendis Hit instead Hagendis Beating. I told it often to my mates too.


Vifon is right, only smart and good players would know the best that Hagendis Beating is made for mobs which are standing in the row.


WolfSoul, actually I can't remember that Elin's gun quest has mobs who are standing in a row. I am sure there are only 4 Stegos which are just standing in a column, which means that it is useless for Hagendis Beating.
I would say more: Arez quest, Kanako quest, etc...

Hugomka wrote:

WolfSoul, actually I can't remember that Elin's gun quest has mobs who are standing in a row. I am sure there are only 4 Stegos which are just standing in a column, which means that it is useless for Hagendis Beating.
I would say more: Arez quest, Kanako quest, etc...

My mistake, it was arez, both have lava and dinos so my memory failed on me :p

O_o is hagendis beating faster than hit? (have to admit i did kinda notice is slightly)

Correct, in the battle of 8 mobs (without jumping in mobs), you can kill them all within 4 rounds if you use Hagendis Beating. But if you still use Hagendis Hit, then it would be 8 rounds.
Noticed: it works only on mobs which you can kill in 1 shot with Hagendis Beating without Hot fire.

If you can kill mob in 1 shot with Hagendis Hit, but not with Hagendis Beating, unless you use Hot Fire as combination. Then that same battle would be ended in 6 rounds if you use Hot Fire and Hagendis Beating, and that is still faster than Hagendis Hit with 8 rounds.

Ah... yes I've seen people make this mistake so many times it's lost any humor it once had...

Hagendis Hit:
Only hits a single target, but does the most damage. This is the sort of skill you use on a boss, or when you need to take down an enemy right away.

Hagendis Beating:
Hits two targets (in a line), great for weaker mobs, or when you have multiple people using this skill it is very useful against stronger mobs.

The same general idea goes for the following fire element physical skills:

Sword Awn Hit/Beating
Five Star Hit/Beating
(Not sure about Fire Wave Hit/Beating)

Please note: I only have a fire element warrior, so this is all I know from experience. But it's good experience, trust me ^^

Don't 5 star beating and 5 star hit both hit 1 mob only? The only difference seems the distance vs near-attack (can be defended) part, no?

And so Hagendis hit is the most powerful skill fire warriors have for single mob attack and we should also use this skill during GS training. Any idea if Hagendis hit can combo with Fire stone hit?

Thanks!

Last edited Mon, 29 Dec 2008, 6:53pm by feodore

yes it can feodore, i very often combo with fire stone hit and Hagendis hit with my chars. just have to keep the speed equal ofcourse =)

feodore wrote:

Don't 5 star beating and 5 star hit both hit 1 mob only? The only difference seems the distance vs near-attack (can be defended) part, no?

And so Hagendis hit is the most powerful skill fire warriors have for single mob attack and we should also use this skill during GS training. Any idea if Hagendis hit can combo with Fire stone hit?

Thanks!

Five Star Hit/Beating don't both hit just one target. Hit attacks one, beating attacks two (in a line)
And yes, Hagendis hit will get you out of some tough spots, and as for combos:
1. As long as the attack only hits one target, it should be able to combo. I've never seen a multi-target attack combo with any other attack.
2. As long as the SPD of two (or more) characters is close, combos will happen more often. That's not to say combos will never happen if SPD doesn't match, but it's rare.

Thanks ChaosTitan and Kazura! XD