I still can't get the third tab to work. Are you just typing in a monster or typing in an item?

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yea the number on left seems to be for alchemy books (set number manually)

steel thorn braces is(leather/copper/steel)
Demon Gloves + Copper Crest + Sea Armor

above formula is the main and standard formula famous to get steel thron braces, if u try again with that formula u can see it in range

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talking about ur formula

demon gloves + sea Armour + demon gloves

didn't show up because since software use simple logic in calculator part
it "probably" searches for items of type(i haven't yet examined the details how melone searches fully)

primary = 49 (demon gloves =leather)
secondary = 27 (sea Armour = steel)

hence the steel thorn braces(leather/copper/steel = 49/18/27) don't fit to this category , so its not shown in result

NOTE=> melone calculator does search for "primary/secondary" and "primary/none" also, when a primary + secondary formula is inserted
eg is shown below as the bronze trident

bronze trident ="copper/none" or only "copper"
but when formula of "copper/leather" + "jade" is entered
results of "copper/none's are also shown"

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bronze trident formula is good , and melone also shows good when book is added , u only forgot to set that book is added, melone has a little Bug that when alchemy Book's are added it dont auto change the max range number
(see a "4" on left side) but when Book II is added, that "4" u have to set manually to "6" , then u can see bronze trident in list of results

NOTE=>before in other post i was saying i trust the items and its info (like stats and base materials)

the compound calculator is a different issue and its not based on a reverse engineered work of game logic which calculates the compound result, melone calculator just use very simple logical search of item database

i advice u
NOT TO TRUST any compound CALCULATOR to 100%
(this is because i haven't seen any compound calculator which works based on actual logic used in the game( making such a calculator would need to reverse engineer game modules - which really is a difficult task , only a very highly experienced programmer(s) can do)

few calculators made so far(things i have seen) are all based on simple logical searches,of a given range of items from a database (confusing and complex things of alchemy like "type conversion"=eg "iron convert to common stone" aren't implemented)

if my explanation is little confusing, sorry and pls tell me so that i can try explain again

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forgot to say this , if u have gotten steel thorn braces from this formula
demon gloves + sea Armour + demon gloves

well, all i can say is its just another strange and exceptional example of alchemy, we have seen may such strange formula's that "seem" to defy the laws , which is one more reason why those calculators out there are not 100% accurate

Last edited Sun, 04 Jan 2009, 5:26am by dotnet54

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aww hell! Sorry to waste your time DotNet. I put the wrong components in there for the Steel Thorn Bracers. I'm getting tired apparently.

I still appreciate the detailed explanation. Once I get done with some gs training I'm going to try to hit compounding again.

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LOL, change that "ja" to "en"

doh! i tried english but that didn't work.....en actually works! it's in english now! thanks! seawolf.

check out the screenshot:

the mystery of the item bases is now going to be over.

oh!! i also just realized what Sea Wolf really meant xD before i was thinking what "ja" and "en" he was talking about

thanx sooooooooooo much !!!! xDxD now im soo happy ^.^

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i'm so glad, too...now we can easily make sure the rest of the items are classified correctly. i'll update the classifications tomorrow morning when i get up and add any that are missing.

looks like hard tissue is the other one that is similar to canine. we can get those straightened out tomorrow as well.

Is it possible to reverse compound an item on melone? meaning you select an item and it shows you the available furmulas.

@ChaosTitan
nope

but it kinda do that indirectly because it shows the base materials and rank ,and if u know laws of alchemy you should be able to figure out or derive own formula using that information xD

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@ dotnet - yeah im aware of that, but im lazy by nature hehe

@ scott - how did you get the english version of melone?

Last edited Sun, 04 Jan 2009, 10:47am by ChaosTitan

ChaosTitan, that is the same version of Melone. Open up the melone.ini with notepad. You should see a line saying

language=ja

change that to

language=en

and you have English. :)

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ok, i think i have fixed the classifications list. check here:

http://wlodb.com/classifications

i matched them up exactly with your list on the first page.

i fixed all the canine/hard tissue items. almost all canine items were actually hard tissue. I went through and updated any armors/weapons had canine for a base and fixed those, too.

few weird things:

glass, silicon, quartz, lamp were classified as quartz but now i have switched them to silicon.

like dotnet mentioned, melone says what we think is crystal to be called quartz...but, the crystal category is very weird in melone there are only a few items classified with this so far like snow crystal and tear staff (that we noticed).

do you think we should follow melone and swap crystal and quartz? or just leave it as it is so it matches up with pbwiki and makes more sense logically?

EDIT:

I also fixed the water items that were set so far:

water 1: http://wlodb.com/items?classification_id=54&...
water 2: http://wlodb.com/items?classification_id=81&...

Last edited Sun, 04 Jan 2009, 6:46pm by scott

ooh awesome..ty

thanx for the update of type names, at free times ill try going through normal items and updating them , since wep/arm's are very much all complete

about quartz and crystals im also curious to hear other people's opinions

i do feel better we follow melone (assume its translation is correct), to enforce people to try and correct our wrong views on them

but at the same time im also very much concerned about other people who dont know melone, but yet refer to this website getting confused about this

what do others like seawolf,ryusaken,chaostitan.. think on it?

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I like Melone. Even though I'm not compounding much right now, and I don't know if I will get into it hard core, I love knowing the details. It takes a lot of the guess work out of the equation.

I can understand how some might find Melone confusing. It may be just too granular for some. Maybe just a sticking on the Melone topic stating that anyone that is not very dedicated should not get discouraged if they don't understand Melone.

I know there are a lot of people looking to the websites to get easy answers not details about the process. However, if these same people can't put up with the over detailed stuff like Melone, then they will never be able to get the simple answers from those who just get a kick out of figuring out the system. Heck, they should be encouraging the compounding geeks, that way someone else gets to waste all their money and time. :)

Just my two cents.

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don't trust that fully for compounds when you throw a book into it
it sorta missing Alot of things

Hi Rawr,
Did you see the comment from Dotnet about the Alchemy Books in Melone? He was saying that although you can add the book to the alchemy components it doesn't seem to be smart enough to increase the max possible rank. So, you need to add the book to the components and increase the number on the right to manually indicate the max rank variable.

For example: If you are using Primary Alchemy you get a +4 to your possible max rank. If you are using a Alchemy Book 2 you should set that number on the right to 6 instead of four.

With that in mind, you also have to adjust that number if you are using the different classes of alchemy.

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wasn't sure where to post this but since i noticed this possible bug in game , just thought to share it , for anyone who is interested hehehe xD

melone seems to show +6% anti-seal for flame gloves, but unfortunately melone don't shows item descriptions so only through game we know whats written in description, as seen in the picture it says flame glove is 10% anti-seal item hehehexD , im guessing flame glove is 6% anti-seal in game as melone shows but whoever entered data to game file database made a typo and wrote 10% there in description

other anti seal follow sum of attributes = rank for armors rule well
eg silver loop R14 = +8 SPD + 6% anti seal = rank 14
sunny doll R30 = +22 SPD + 8% anti-seal = rank 30

and as for flame gloves assuming 6% as in melone it follows rule
flame gloves R 14 = +8 ATK + 6% anti-seal = rank 14

but as the description says if 10% is added it dont follow rule xD hehe, besides it would be too funny for low rank 14 to have 10% anti seal and higher rank 30 sunny doll to have 6% xD

ok thats all thanx ^^ just shared it hehhe

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i was intrigued by the item description that pops up when you double click a particular item..i can't understand most kanji but i was able to understand some of it.

ステータス -> stats
not much to explain

買? -> buying price i think 売? -> selling price i think
you can verify this with items being sold in npcs. about the prices of other items, it's interesting how they came up with it. i hope i can use this to somehow give a fair price to mats and equips.

????: gender restriction i think
well, i had a hard time thinking what this is since most items have なし/none placed on it. i spotted fur clothes with 男/女 kanji which means male/female on it so i tried looking for other items that might be similar and i found men's/woman's robe with the same kanji written on them so thought it's gender restriction, but then again i may be wrong so sorry for that.

btw, thanks for this melone..i think this is pretty convenient, handy and most of all accurate since it looks up into the game's actual data..now i can have an idea about the items that i still haven't seen so far in our server and some that may still not be in wlodb :)

thanx ^-^ for that info though i cant read Japanese xD it may still help in future lol hehe

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"_

... could... someone compress the melone.ini file and post it? -.-

KaozReaper wrote:

"_

... could... someone compress the melone.ini file and post it? -.-

no need to compress. it's only like six lines.

the only reason i can think yours isn't getting created is if you don't have write access to the folder you are running it from. are you running vista?

maybe try running it from the my documents folder if you are.

here's the link: http://wlodb.com/files/melone.ini

Hm... pretty sure I have write access to everything.

I'm running Windows XP whatever the newest service pack is... too lazy to check.

--------------------- 3 minutes later ------------------------

*kicks self*
Yeah... I've got it... just need to install some sort of translator... the comp doesn't recognize the japanese, so there's no way for it to turn everything into English. I guess?

Right now, it's all:

KaozReaper wrote:

Hm... pretty sure I have write access to everything.

I'm running Windows XP whatever the newest service pack is... too lazy to check.

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Yeah... I've got it... just need to install some sort of translator... the comp doesn't recognize the japanese, so there's no way for it to turn everything into English. I guess?

Right now, it's all:

nope. you have some kind of problem. it doesn't translate everything. the most important thing though is the base materials. see here:

try downloading direct from the creator's site: http://twc.xrea.jp/tool/melone0.4.zip

then if you get a melone.ini after running it, change ja to en in melone.ini.

Yep! works!

WOOOT!!!!

Btw, that formula for War Demon works, I just made one a sec ago.

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Yep! works!

WOOOT!!!!

Btw, that formula for War Demon works, I just made one a sec ago.

cool thanks! btw, i added you to the admin list for items/compounds/recycles...etc.

sorry! i thought you were already on there. you can search your own compounds if you want to confirm ones that are not yet.

:D Woot! Thanks Scott!

hi all melone 0.5 has been released with some changes so here is the new link
(first post is also updated now with new link)

http://wlodb.com/files/melone0.5.zip

btw new update of doalaw was also released

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I've waited so long for this!! Sortable by bases!!!! OMG!!! *spazzes*

yea that that's very cool sorting methods ,super useful ehehhee

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