I've been reading on the wl forums about a earth build character and my head is starting to spin with all the info. my earth is

str - 0
con - 44
int - 101
wis - 58
agi - 0

I don't plan to put anything on agi since she's a quest build and has no chance to outrun the higher lvl bosses so I don't want to waste the points. What do I do from here though? Other than tons on con I'm not sure. Can someone tell me how my points should look sort of?

For example: Water support*

str - 0
con - 300+
int - 100
wis - 300+
agi - 0

I was thinking of switching int and wis since higher int means high chance to seal(right?). So if I have an earth build

str 0
con 300+
int 300+
wis 100
agi 0

is this a good build?

*the points I put above for a water support are those good stats? or should I put a little less wis and more int?

also are these builds for priests? I havn't got the difference between priest/wit/seer builds. XD

Thanks in advance everyone :)

Higher int does mean better seal, so int is good :) Also, I tend to like having agi for a water support so I can freeze/sleep/whatever the enemy before they can attack, but you said you don't want agi, so forget that XD The water would be a priest. Seers have lots of agi, and wits have lots of int.

I personally think agi is a waste of points when questing. unless you have tons of points on spd then on high lvl quests your spd is wasted because the bosses will be so much faster. In my opinion instead of putting agi I would put the points to con and wis. Instead of trying to out spd the monsters I want a character who can stand the attacks and heal. The only downside to not having much agi is I spend tons of time reviving unless I log off my fires then log back in and jump in the battle. It's a pain sometimes but I did that to get the submarine design and it worked great XD

I really want to know if I got my earth build right though. She's lvl 72 now and so now I'm starting to build her for quests and not just get the basics. I bumped her con from 44 to 62 but I want to know if the build I suggested is good for earth.

Thanks :)

Well, Water Support means go first before the mobs and support/assist in any means possible XD
So you'll need agi in a way, no need to put shit loads though.
and by the way, just fix stats to lvl 180, you fix them to lvl 120+ reborn >_>

Metatron's looks, compliments of my friend~

Spoiler:

"Leo" Server.

Spoiler:

Earths -
Metatron - 176 Reborn Killer [633/190/31/48/86] (Earth main).
Orelia - 131 Reborn Wit [4/225/341/48/100].
Seraphel - 153 Reborn Mage Knight [31/208/276/60/341].
Zachriel - 81 Reborn Priest [0/395/76/77/0].
Daedalus - 85 Reborn Wit [0/165/312/48/35].

Waters -
Nuriel - 175 Reborn Wit [18/185/507/60/150] (Water main).
Meimiel - 101 Reborn Seer [0/170/172/60/206].
Rhamiel - 81 Reborn Priest [0/395/6/77/0].
Noctus - 88 Reborn Mage Knight [39/193/146/78/308].
Opheus - 83 Reborn Wit.

Winds -
Heimdall - 81 Reborn Wit [0/130/304/49/65].
Anael - 81 Reborn Knight [6/26//10/26/510].
Zofiel - 99 Reborn Killer [586/94/39/39/39].
Anelia - 81 Reborn Knight [190/80/7/49/227].
Hox - 187 Reborn Knight.

Fires -
Zelix - 156 Reborn Killer [615/155/13/42/13] (Fire Melee main).
Alilidier - 160 Reborn Wit [13/167/615/42/13] (Fire Mage Main).
Zeliel - 86 Reborn Killer [476/66/9/45/12].
Seraphinus - 117 Reborn Killer [375/104/9/51/126].
Shadders - 172 Reborn Killer [606/164/4/42/15] (Given alt).
Kronos - 86 Reborn Wit [6/144/395/42/6].
Hades - 86 Reborn Killer [395/144/6/42/6].
Atariel - 136 Reborn Killer [492/180/18/47/66].
Tariel - 130 Reborn Wit [6/145/510/42/22].

Manufacturing Slaves - Dazmond, Misane, Coeus, Perses, Lapetus, Oceanus.
Collection Slaves - SecretC2, SecretC3, SecretC4.
Fish Storage Slaves - Fishslayer, Kronosx, Totoxin.
Equipment Storage Slaves - Oranos, Menoetius.
Burst Slaves:
ShexSlave - 85 Reborn Killer [520/2/2/42/4].
ShwexSlave - 85 Reborn Killer [514/0/0/42/4].
Cusser - 82 Reborn Wit [0/20/511/20/0].

Names for Safekeeping: Dovahkiin

Metatron wrote:

Well, Water Support means go first before the mobs and support/assist in any means possible XD
So you'll need agi in a way, no need to put shit loads though.
and by the way, just fix stats to lvl 180, you fix them to lvl 120+ reborn >_>

Going before a mob with 2k+ speed? being a water/wind/fire... get real, dont waste your points into agi. You dont NEED agi to outrun other party members... ever hear of a spd saddle or speed gears? with a nice set of spd gears you can outrun any other quest build (4-20 agi) fires or earths.

dorkfish wrote:

Metatron wrote:

Well, Water Support means go first before the mobs and support/assist in any means possible XD
So you'll need agi in a way, no need to put shit loads though.
and by the way, just fix stats to lvl 180, you fix them to lvl 120+ reborn >_>

Going before a mob with 2k+ speed? being a water/wind/fire... get real, dont waste your points into agi. You dont NEED agi to outrun other party members... ever hear of a spd saddle or speed gears? with a nice set of spd gears you can outrun any other quest build (4-20 agi) fires or earths.

Lol, My wind knight outspds the guards in JS, not enough to assist or spam knight's JS there?
As for quests, there are some quests you need spd for, as for 15R too.
If she/he intends to go and do DS or JS, Sealord and others, need spd for JS, because its possible to outspd, and for DS, only dragon fight is high spd mobs , other fights you just need some spd :P
I made a water priest, well not reborned yet, but still good for hardcore quests x.x That depends on how she/he is going to use its characters.
as for what I said , he/she placed +700 points, and 53x are for 180 only x.x That's what I meant really, he/she plans it way further ahead.

Metatron's looks, compliments of my friend~

Spoiler:

"Leo" Server.

Spoiler:

Earths -
Metatron - 176 Reborn Killer [633/190/31/48/86] (Earth main).
Orelia - 131 Reborn Wit [4/225/341/48/100].
Seraphel - 153 Reborn Mage Knight [31/208/276/60/341].
Zachriel - 81 Reborn Priest [0/395/76/77/0].
Daedalus - 85 Reborn Wit [0/165/312/48/35].

Waters -
Nuriel - 175 Reborn Wit [18/185/507/60/150] (Water main).
Meimiel - 101 Reborn Seer [0/170/172/60/206].
Rhamiel - 81 Reborn Priest [0/395/6/77/0].
Noctus - 88 Reborn Mage Knight [39/193/146/78/308].
Opheus - 83 Reborn Wit.

Winds -
Heimdall - 81 Reborn Wit [0/130/304/49/65].
Anael - 81 Reborn Knight [6/26//10/26/510].
Zofiel - 99 Reborn Killer [586/94/39/39/39].
Anelia - 81 Reborn Knight [190/80/7/49/227].
Hox - 187 Reborn Knight.

Fires -
Zelix - 156 Reborn Killer [615/155/13/42/13] (Fire Melee main).
Alilidier - 160 Reborn Wit [13/167/615/42/13] (Fire Mage Main).
Zeliel - 86 Reborn Killer [476/66/9/45/12].
Seraphinus - 117 Reborn Killer [375/104/9/51/126].
Shadders - 172 Reborn Killer [606/164/4/42/15] (Given alt).
Kronos - 86 Reborn Wit [6/144/395/42/6].
Hades - 86 Reborn Killer [395/144/6/42/6].
Atariel - 136 Reborn Killer [492/180/18/47/66].
Tariel - 130 Reborn Wit [6/145/510/42/22].

Manufacturing Slaves - Dazmond, Misane, Coeus, Perses, Lapetus, Oceanus.
Collection Slaves - SecretC2, SecretC3, SecretC4.
Fish Storage Slaves - Fishslayer, Kronosx, Totoxin.
Equipment Storage Slaves - Oranos, Menoetius.
Burst Slaves:
ShexSlave - 85 Reborn Killer [520/2/2/42/4].
ShwexSlave - 85 Reborn Killer [514/0/0/42/4].
Cusser - 82 Reborn Wit [0/20/511/20/0].

Names for Safekeeping: Dovahkiin

I plan to use a spd saddle and get a wind leopard and train him to a high lvl so I can get a little more spd. When I get some gold I'll get some spd equips too but I'm to poor to get both right now XD But if you think I'm planning to far ahead then I'll change my numbers.
For a lvl 180 water assist/support character:
str 0
con 200+
int 100
wis 200+
agi 0 - 20

For a lvl 180 earth support (mostly for sealing but can still hit hard if I need an extra mage)
str 0
con 200+
int 150+
wis 150
agi 0 - 20

Are these good builds for earth and water at lvl 180? would 150 wis be enough for my earth? Should I add more or less to wis? I was wondering if I should add a little more int to my water so her freeze and sleep spells have a better chance of hitting. should I?

Thanks for your input everyone :)

xxSarinxx wrote:

I plan to use a spd saddle and get a wind leopard and train him to a high lvl so I can get a little more spd. When I get some gold I'll get some spd equips too but I'm to poor to get both right now XD But if you think I'm planning to far ahead then I'll change my numbers.
For a lvl 180 water assist/support character:
str 0
con 200+
int 100
wis 200+
agi 0 - 20

For a lvl 180 earth support (mostly for sealing but can still hit hard if I need an extra mage)
str 0
con 200+
int 150+
wis 150
agi 0 - 20

Are these good builds for earth and water at lvl 180? would 150 wis be enough for my earth? Should I add more or less to wis? I was wondering if I should add a little more int to my water so her freeze and sleep spells have a better chance of hitting. should I?

Thanks for your input everyone :)

why even go over 100 wis for these chars? the huge mdef doesnt lessen the seal rates, a guy on the main forums tested it with a 300wis char and she got sealed 9/10 times http://forum.wl.igg.com/viewthread.php?tid=4970...

so going by what he says (hes a twl expert player that came to american wonderland) he is saying that priests shouldn't have above 100wis and even then its still wasted points. I would pput the extra 100 wis into con or int

dang it. So basically all the wis I put on my water is kind of a waste. And I thought I was doing good on her :( oh well I bumped her con to 200 and was going to work on adding wis so I think she only has 130 wis. I was starting to think wis had nothing to do with seal resist anyway since when I did Eva's quest my water and fire mage got messed every turn and I spent most of the battle messed and when I wasn't I had to revive people XD I did sort of notice that my lvl 140 water with 130 wis and 100 int got messed more than my lvl 114 fire mage with almost 200 int and about 50 wis (I think those are the stats of my fire mage) I hate Eva at this point because of that stupid Mess spell. XD But thanks for the post. That helps a lot. :D
So new stats for my water and earth......

lvl 199 water assist/support
str 0
con 200+
int 170+
wis 100-130
agi 0 - 20

lvl 199 earth support
str 0
con 200+
int 200+
wis 80-100
agi 0 - 20

How does that look?

I'm starting to like the look of these builds. I think I might stick with these. Unless anyone else has any info that can help me :) You all are great :D

EDIT:
Just a quick question. Should I rb as a priest or wit? priests get betting seal resist but wits have better sealing abilities. I'm not sure if my water should be a wit or a priest. Higher seal resist is nice because I won't get messed every other turn but higher sealing ability will give my water more time to heal and seal other monsters if my seals hit.

Last edited Mon, 09 Nov 2009, 8:51pm by Sarin

xxSarinxx wrote:

dang it. So basically all the wis I put on my water is kind of a waste. And I thought I was doing good on her :( oh well I bumped her con to 200 and was going to work on adding wis so I think she only has 130 wis. I was starting to think wis had nothing to do with seal resist anyway since when I did Eva's quest my water and fire mage got messed every turn and I spent most of the battle messed and when I wasn't I had to revive people XD I did sort of notice that my lvl 140 water with 130 wis and 100 int got messed more than my lvl 114 fire mage with almost 200 int and about 50 wis (I think those are the stats of my fire mage) I hate Eva at this point because of that stupid Mess spell. XD But thanks for the post. That helps a lot. :D
So new stats for my water and earth......

lvl 199 water assist/support
str 0
con 200+
int 170+
wis 100-130
agi 0 - 20

lvl 199 earth support
str 0
con 200+
int 200+
wis 80-100
agi 0 - 20

How does that look?

I'm starting to like the look of these builds. I think I might stick with these. Unless anyone else has any info that can help me :) You all are great :D

EDIT:
Just a quick question. Should I rb as a priest or wit? priests get betting seal resist but wits have better sealing abilities. I'm not sure if my water should be a wit or a priest. Higher seal resist is nice because I won't get messed every other turn but higher sealing ability will give my water more time to heal and seal other monsters if my seals hit.

Those 2 new builds seem to be good, but at lvl 199 (level 101 rb) you have 602 stat points to distribute. So try to come up with a firm final number for each base (agi,con,int,etc) instead of just saying 200+. Comeing up with a firm number will help you figure the other stats.

Since you have both a water and earth mage, I would say make each one of each class. I would say the water should be priest since priest also adds a hidden def bonus (as noted in the thread I gave about high wis earlier). And the earth should go a wit cause of the earth trap skills being the second best seals in game (aside from fires mess spell). And the wit can be a mini tank/damager (like mine) and if made into a wit it can use cuss skill (wits JS skill which adds 1.5x damage to a target) which would help a lot in quests with mobs of high hp.

I'll give my earth mini tank/damager/seal spam "specialist" as an example. My earth soon to be wit (once I rb it) is level 184.
0 str
225 con
252 int
60 wis
20 agi

HP of about 3.7k without +hp items, Matk of 1k+ with just red and violet diamonded lowish level matk stuff (eve wear, fire boots, magic gloves, shinning staff, dw hat) and no flower/parrot (yet, but I have one in training thats just level 52). His sp pool is about 1.3k and speed is about 320 no +speed gears. He hits about 28k with hf, crit, cuss and freeze to the level 1 water dog of welling. And his terra is godly, rarely ever misses.

If I gave my earth my fire mages good matk set with nice diamonds and forged decent (full bloved top matk gears with a +71 matk moonwand that I inserted with a 26% bomb I won on first ever spin of bomb diamond game and everything +5 forged =10 points) and her full washed level 138 fire flower with it's own top gear set full nimbused he could easily get 1.4-1.5k matk without being rb. My fire mages gears gives 378 matk and her flower gives her about 280.

Yes I'll admit it, I'm an IM mall freak with a bunch of nice diamonds and nice forged gears, and 4 saddles (1 swift and bash and 2 magics) :D

Last edited Mon, 09 Nov 2009, 9:45pm by dorkfish

ok so water priest and earth wit. I'm kind of thinking for lvl 199 (lvl 101 rb)

Water
str 0
con 250 (+ after rb)
int 202 (+ after rb)
wis 130
agi 20

Earth
str 0
con 225
int 287
wis 70
agi 20

I have wis on the water at 130 since I believe my water is there. is 70 enough wis for an earth? I don't want her to run out of sp after only a few turns. My fire mage at lvl 114 wis at 50 or 60 runs out of sp quickly and it's irritating to constly use grape syrups since I've been to lazy to get her soul dodge. XD

(I don't want to stretch this page longer then needed so I'm just going to refer to your post number here :P)

#11
Waters hp should be about or just above/below 4.1k, which is nice. Matk should be 68x without gears/matk ride, which should be very nice seals. SP pool should be about 2.7k sp which won't run out fast:D. And speed without spd gears and a ride would be 355 whisch is more then enough to outrun most if not all quest build fires.

Earth hp will be about the same as mine, nude matk with rb'd wit and cape ranging from +63-80 would range from 1006-1023 which will make him/her a sealing beast :D. Sp pool will be about 1.5k sp which is decent, but will still run out fast, and speed same as your water.

how did you figure their stats?

Last edited Tue, 10 Nov 2009, 2:10pm by Sarin

a forum member of the main forums made a stats program that works with excell 2003+ or open office (both of which I have) so i just plugged the numbers into it .
http://forum.wl.igg.com/viewthread.php?tid=4526...

or you can do it manually each stat if you dont have open office or excell 2003+ using the elemental stats bonus calculator guide.
http://forum.wl.igg.com/viewthread.php?tid=1861...

both are very nice to use to figure out your stats for later levels if you are a math dork (like me) :D. lol

GO MATH!! MATH RULES!! I was looking for something like this last night and couldn't find it XD the search function and I don't work well together sometimes.....XD This will definately help :) thanks a bunch. Quick question though, since this is like our own chat now XD I'm going to buy some saddles soon (when I'm not poor....) should I get a magic saddle for my earth and a spd for my water? Or should I get both spd? What do you recommend? I'm going to get my flowers this weekend to start training them and use the pet scrolls on them for specific stats. :D WOOO COME ON WEEKEND!! XD

I've been using that stats calculator since it came out and even used the elemental bonus thing longer, really helps planning out alts power,def,spd etc.

I would get both saddles water would be better with the swift and earth wwith the matk one. But I wouldn't start training a flower until I know I can use them, cause you don't know how long you will have them for without the saddle.

ok :) thanks a lot for your help :)

my water is
0 str
130 con
100 int
100 wis
60 agi and i continue to add to con all the points
and if i wold have an earth i wold make him
0 str
xxx con...a lot
100 int
100 wis
40 agi(to combo with me after rb XD)