What the +/- numbers mean next to the compounds « Compounding & Manufacturing « WLO Gameplay
 
Fri, 19 Dec 2008, 3:40pm #1
scott
Administrator
Axel_foley_575
Registered: Sep, 2008
Last visit: Thu, 29 Jun 2017
Posts: 707

Since I saw there were a few people asking about this i thought i would explain.

the number is the difference in rank between the produced item and the lowest rank of any of the components.

for instance, if you compound a rank 6 and a rank 8 item to product a rank 10 item...this would be +4 (hence 10 - 6) since the result gained 4 ranks up.

for primary alchemy, +4 is the most ranks a compound can gain without alchemy books, thus making it the hardest to produce. compounds with lower or negative numbers are more common than items with +3/+4 or higher.

Last edited Fri, 19 Dec 2008, 9:54pm by scott

Offline
Fri, 19 Dec 2008, 9:49pm #2
Allyde
Warrior
739045gnyemyt7b3
Registered: Oct, 2008
Last visit: Tue, 08 Sep 2009
Posts: 59

wow thx alot scott %#

Offline
Tue, 23 Dec 2008, 7:48pm #3
BobMan
Scout
Ges
Registered: Dec, 2008
Last visit: Sun, 04 Jan 2009
Posts: 21

scott wrote:

Since I saw there were a few people asking about this...
....for primary alchemy, +4 is the most ranks a compound can....

Hey Scott, the way you worded it, ity sounded like you were saying that for Junior or higher Alchemy Skill that you could compound higher than +4 is that what you were implying?
I imagine we haven't had the improved skills long enough to know, hey?


InGame Name: ==BobMan==
LEO 3 mostly.
Lvl 3X Fire
Aspiring "Tank" :))

Offline
Tue, 23 Dec 2008, 9:22pm #4
Rawrness
Conqueror
Xdxdxd
Registered: Oct, 2008
Last visit: Sat, 21 Nov 2009
Posts: 110

Senior is only one that gives more
instead of 4 it will get 5+
junior has better chances then primary but only works good
when items are same rank


have you ever ran in circles while thinking
how many other people in the world are running in
circles at this very moment?
deep stuff huh? XD

Offline
Wed, 24 Dec 2008, 12:45am #5
scott
Administrator
Axel_foley_575
Registered: Sep, 2008
Last visit: Thu, 29 Jun 2017
Posts: 707

oops..yes, you guys are correct, superior can be up to +5 instead of +4 ^_^

Offline
Thu, 25 Dec 2008, 12:33am #6
momorain
Scout
Gundam21
Registered: Dec, 2008
Last visit: Fri, 24 Jul 2009
Posts: 23

errr....can anyone explain more clearly
like giving an example..coz im queit blur here = =
im sorry coz im totally didn't understand about it >.<


-Fallen Angel of Cancer-

Offline
Thu, 25 Dec 2008, 1:18am #7
scott
Administrator
Axel_foley_575
Registered: Sep, 2008
Last visit: Thu, 29 Jun 2017
Posts: 707

ok i'll try to explain it a little better.

take this compound for an example:

aluminum plate (R6) = aluminum ore (R3) + granite (R6)

since aluminum ore is the lowest rank (R3), the maximum ranks the result of this compound can increase with primary alchemy (without alchemy books) is +4. so you have the possibly of producing a R7 aluminum based item (hard aluminum plate). you also have the possibility of producing any aluminum based item between R1 and R7.

in this case the result is aluminum plate (R6) which is +3 ranks from the lowest item in the components...hence the compound says (Primary +3)

basically,

+4 is the hardest to obtain so getting a hard aluminum plate will be very hard.
+3 is a little easier since it is only 3 ranks higher then the lowest component
+2 and +1 and 0 or any negative numbers are the easiest to produce because the result does not have to rise as many ranks

so...higher + numbers mean the compound is harder to produce, lower numbers or negative numbers are easier to make.

higher alchemy skill will improve the chances of getting a higher rank item as a result.

Offline
Fri, 26 Dec 2008, 1:36pm #8
abby02
Conqueror
Abby2
Registered: Nov, 2008
Last visit: Fri, 02 Jan 2009
Posts: 136

thnx scott..:D

Last edited Sat, 27 Dec 2008, 2:19am by abby02


Server: aries 4
IGN: abby03
Lvl: 7X
Element: Fire
Guild: TheSunHawks

Offline
Sun, 28 Dec 2008, 6:13am #9
DeathStar
Scout
Pink_kitty_cupid
Registered: Dec, 2008
Last visit: Sat, 17 Jan 2009
Posts: 49

thnx..that cleared things up a bit


Character Name:DeathStar
Server Branch:Aries 4
Element and Job:Fire Killer Prequisite
Guild:Necrosis
Motto: So What If I am Pink? That Just Make Me a Real Guy That is Brave Enough To Face Shame and Fear

Offline
Fri, 09 Jan 2009, 12:48pm #10
reiris
Scout
1207233536
Registered: Nov, 2008
Last visit: Sun, 11 Jan 2009
Posts: 21

wew..now i know:D..
thnx scott

Offline
Sat, 17 Jan 2009, 6:49am #11
AutumnMyst
Scout
Sunny
Registered: Jan, 2009
Last visit: Wed, 18 Feb 2009
Posts: 19

Thanks, now I understand how it works. I'm going to enjoy compounding hehe. But I have a question. In your compounding list -

take this compound for an example:

aluminum plate (R6) = aluminum ore (R3) + granite (R6)

Which item goes first?

Last edited Sat, 17 Jan 2009, 6:54am by AutumnMyst


IGN: Autumns, Kayser
Server: Leo

Offline
Sat, 17 Jan 2009, 7:18am #12
Kazura
Conqueror
Plasmamoive
Registered: Oct, 2008
Last visit: Thu, 11 Jun 2009
Posts: 186

AutumnMyst wrote:

aluminum plate (R6) = aluminum ore (R3) + granite (R6)

Which item goes first?

Read it from left to right after the equal sign.
aluminum ore (R3) + granite (R6) (So the ore goes first, then the granite. Aluminum plate is the outcome; please note that formula may also produce aluminum hard plate/sand/ore, or on occasion common stone)


Guy 1: "Hey, see that car?"
Guy 2: "What car?"
-screeeech-
___________________

ign = Kazura
Server = Cancer 2
Element = Fire

Offline
Sat, 17 Jan 2009, 7:47am #13
AutumnMyst
Scout
Sunny
Registered: Jan, 2009
Last visit: Wed, 18 Feb 2009
Posts: 19

Ok thanks!


IGN: Autumns, Kayser
Server: Leo

Offline
Sat, 17 Jan 2009, 9:27pm #14
solo
King
Crazy_cat_6
Registered: Jan, 2009
Last visit: Wed, 19 Oct 2011
Posts: 332

i tried compounding 50 aluminum ore + 50 granite and got 50 hard aluminum plate i saved alot of time and aluminum ore this way lol

and gold! i wasn't going to pay 580 gold for hard alu either lol


fire killer lvl 132 rb
Fire killer lvl 128 rb
Water wit lvl 136 rb
Earth wit lvl 114 rb

Offline
Wed, 28 Jan 2009, 8:40pm #15
mert
King
Registered: Oct, 2008
Last visit: Sat, 13 Aug 2011
Posts: 289

I still didnt get negative mark thing.

I tought they explain what level and what kind alchemy it wants. For example:
there is a compound and there is "Primary +3" next to it. I tought that compound needs lvl 3 or higher primary alchemy for high chance of succes. isnt it so? @.@


Server: Cancer

Offline
Wed, 28 Jan 2009, 9:29pm #16
Adu
Emperor
Eend
Registered: Sep, 2008
Last visit: Fri, 31 Jul 2009
Posts: 565

no it isnt. it means that the rank of the item has risen 3 levels.

If its a negative mark: its a fail.

You can calculate with it if you _really_ need an alchemy book to do the compound yes or no, and the possibility to get the item.

EG: primary+3: no alchemy book needed, but it has to rise 3 levels (4=max) thus the compound will come out less then for example a primary+1 compound.



http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g3/Baals_Baby/BattiGlacial25.gifGet your own Evelon Pet Today!
Spoiler:

Virgo
IGN: irinia
lvl 17x
Guild: Caramel
Girlpower!
duckypower!
spammers, feel my wrath!

Offline
Thu, 29 Jan 2009, 12:54am #17
mert
King
Registered: Oct, 2008
Last visit: Sat, 13 Aug 2011
Posts: 289

I got it now. @.@ Thanks!


Server: Cancer

Offline
Thu, 29 Jan 2009, 8:06am #18
Adu
Emperor
Eend
Registered: Sep, 2008
Last visit: Fri, 31 Jul 2009
Posts: 565

np :)



http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g3/Baals_Baby/BattiGlacial25.gifGet your own Evelon Pet Today!
Spoiler:

Virgo
IGN: irinia
lvl 17x
Guild: Caramel
Girlpower!
duckypower!
spammers, feel my wrath!

Offline
Sat, 26 Mar 2011, 1:49pm #19
Vaschel
Recruit
Registered: Mar, 2011
Last visit: Wed, 17 Aug 2011
Posts: 4

Thanks VERY much for explaining that!! I thought the numbers meant your xp went down or something.I recently learned J .Alch, and I'm still learning how to navigate this system...

Offline
Sat, 26 Mar 2011, 2:27pm #20
magiical1
Warrior
Registered: Nov, 2009
Last visit: Tue, 29 Nov 2011
Posts: 69

==" just put it short,
for a R6 to get to R10 , 4 rank jump is needed = +4 .

If u compound 2 different rank like R3 and R6, the lower rank will be the one considered how many rank to jump to, Example R3 + R6 = R10 , +7 jump is needed.
If it drops in rank, it will be consider as negative = -1 or some negative numbers

Offline
Wed, 15 Apr 2015, 1:46pm #21
FirePunch98
Recruit
Registered: Apr, 2015
Last visit: Sun, 03 May 2015
Posts: 7

so + 6 + 7 + 8

Should I not go for that?

Is it harder everytime you move up in jump?

Offline