Hi there guys.
As some of you might already know me and my girlfriend are kinda Q&A-addicts. We usually log into the game only on tuesday golden compass, wednesday and sturday Q&A. We're trying to figure out drop chances from riddle papers, sweets pack and magical eggs (for my forum mini-guides).
After few months we got really good and memorized all questions, that's why we're usually in the top three.
There is a person named Tsumomo, who usually is first. But lately we started to win with him. Last week I taken first place in few first minutes of Q&A and I kept the first place to the end. More about it here:
http://wlodb.com/topics/1882?page=1#p33422
I'm afraid Tsumomo's pride was severely hurt.

So yesterday when I jumped on the first place after few minutes of Q&A weird things started to happen. Some character named Kaiyane started to express me lots of stuff (sending items through pet delivery).
Information windows slowed me down, and my inventory started to fill up. I tried to do my best, but often questions where hidden behind the delivery information, so after few minutes I dropped to the second place, Tsumomo jumped onto first one. And suddenly pet delivery was over.

(as you can see I've tried to find a shortcut to compound, to get rid of the items, than I just started eating them up to clear up inventory).
I thought: whoever was trying to bring me down now probably torments Tsumomo. But after few moments I realized it's logic that the person who does this delivery would try to bring down the person above in the first place, not the first person in ranking. That moment I was almost sure that Kaiyane, sending stuff through pet express, was Tsumomo's alt.
After Q&A I commented this behavior on local chat:

That one simple question mark is a proof that Kaiyane was commanded by Tsumomo. If Tsumomo would be also attacked by pet delivery while being on the first place after I've dropped, he would surely know what I'm talking about. That means he was NOT under attack, therefore attack was his initative.
What's more, I've gone through this forum, and official WLO forum, and here's what I've found:

Here are the links to above posts:
http://forum.wl.igg.com/viewthread.php?tid=31948
http://forum.wl.igg.com/viewthread.php?tid=51584
http://wlodb.com/topics/1391?page=1#p12098

Now there is not even a smallest doubt it was Tsumomo, cheating to get first place in Q&A. Gone really low.
We participate in Q&A to make guides (riddle paper, sweet packs, magical eggs), it's not important to win for us. Honestly I don't care about beeing first or second (there is not much difference in riddle papers) but it's about FAIR PLAY, no matter what are the goals for different people.

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Report the cheater in Livesupport, otherwise we can't do anything about that kiddo. Just pray that you won't be greeted by a stupid GM.

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bloo777 all you can do is report to IGG. We can't do anything about it here. All I can say is turn your trade off while you play and blacklist the person. It happens a lot with people I know. Just this morning in guild chat a friend was talkinga bout how someone expressed some low SP food to the persons burst team so they couldn't recover their sp and ended up wasting time that they could have been bursting.

Yeah it's rude that someone would do something like that bloo777 but still. We can do anything here. You should just report that person to IGG.

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oush! poor Tsumomo who would have known

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@Alxyz:
I wish to be still a kiddo ;)

@Sarin:
Thanks for tip about blacklisting. It never happend to me earlier, so I was kinda surprised :)

I know you guys can't do anything about it. And I also think IGG won't move a finger to solve it. I think that for a person like Tsumomo (who is interacting with other players a lot) the biggest "punishment" would be showing in public what he have done and what kind of person he is. So that others would know what kind of behavior they can expect of him.
That's the only point of this topic ;)

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yeah but then it causes drama. Then everyone wants to put their 2 cents in and start this whole chain reaction that can involve hot headed people that want to throw insults back and forth. Then people are not statisfied enough with keeping the argument between 2 people so they pull other people in. Then those people want to defend themselves and they pull more people in and soon you have everyone insulting each other back and forth in some pointless argument that shouldn't have started in the first place.

Of course maybe that won't happen with your topic but you never know. And once an argument starts it's a pain to get it to stop. I still suggest you go to IGG first before this topic gets any longer. IGG may not do anything about it but if they don't atleast you know.

Also this:

I think that for a person like Tsumomo (who is interacting with other players a lot) the biggest "punishment" would be showing in public what he have done and what kind of person he is. So that others would know what kind of behavior they can expect of him.
That's the only point of this topic ;)

This is just going to create more hostility in the game. You should try dealing with Tsumomo on your own or with IGG. If you let this go on in game then your friends and Tsumomo's friends will get involved and who knows how everyone will act. It may turn in to some big rivalry and insult filled argument and if others come to Q&A and see you guys arguing they are not going to have fun.

I think things like this should be kept between the people who are part of the situation. Involving the rest of the people (even if you are just trying to inform them) can lead to more and more drama.

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Sarin, I gone to LiveSupport and reported. We'll see what can they do.
Sure it can lead to drama, that's why I've shown only facts, not opinions. I don't expect feedback in this topic. If someone would want to share any good ideas about this or similiar situation (for example the idea with blacklisting, that you posted) he should be free to post.
And if topic will start to look like drama, as you pointed it out, I'll close it. After all this is a CHAT section of Leo server on this forum.

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If you don't expect feedback then why bother posting about it? And I know where your topic is posted and I know what the chat section is for. But, in my opinion, this isn't something the rest of us need to know about. Tsumomo may just have a problem with you so you two should try to solve your problems without posting on here. What is everyone else posted about the problems they had with people? This forum would be cluttered with pointless topics filled with any problem you could think of. That's not the point of this website.

In my honest opinion if people have problems they need to deal with it between themselves. I don't think arguments, disagreements or anything like that should come out of the game and be posted on a website. Then it gets innocent people involved when it could just be a simple matter of trying to talk it out with Tsumomo.

That's my opinion though. Others may believe that posting problems on a forum is ok. Even if this site does have a chat forum it's still a database that was made to help people play the game and enjoy their time playing wlo. I may have a different opinion then others but I don't see how posting about our problem, arguments, misunderstanding and disagreements makes the game look fun. But to each his own.

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Wow, you must be a detective.
Good job in catching the cheater.
It was very impressive and interesting to read.

lol this is very disapponting for me. Tsumomo is a very nice person, I just acnnot imagine her to do this =S, and just a little correction bloo, Tsumomo is a girl lol

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Still,cheaters are cheaters.They MUST be punished.=.=

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bloo7777 if you want to be first or second place answer the question faster than any1

Harshel he knows how to do the Q&A. Bloo always places in the Q&A atleast when I actually look at the results I normally see his name. So he knows how to do it. The point of his post is that someone sent tons of junk to his account while he was doing Q&A and while trying to keep his inventory clean he fell out of first place.

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Sarin wrote:

Harshel he knows how to do the Q&A. Bloo always places in the Q&A atleast when I actually look at the results I normally see his name. So he knows how to do it. The point of his post is that someone sent tons of junk to his account while he was doing Q&A and while trying to keep his inventory clean he fell out of first place.

It isn't just the matter of making sure you have space for rewards at the end.
Every sent item pops up two messages ("Person send X quantity Stuff" and "Obtain X quantity Stuff") in front of the questions, and they need to clear before you can click the answer.

All these messages, and the items as well, should be blocked during the activities.

look i dont play Q&A bcuz i have tutions== but i always 2nd place in Q&A but not i only play golden compass still 2nd place as usual

sarin i've been playing Q&A very long than him so i know alot

I'm glad you know a lot Harshel. But the original post isn't about how to play. it's about someone expressing items during the event just so they can be in first place.

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Sarin, "Do not feed the Troll" :)
I'm sure this topic is clear enough for every person to know what is it about. Harshel's behavior is nothing more than trolling. Just ignore him, because every time you'll reply he'll have an anchor to reply more.

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Tsunomomo oughtta be defeated in Q&A and hurt her pride. It would be good for her she seems a lil bit cocky to me. You could beat her a gain and see wat happens

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Therealdj, it would be no good. Winning with her just to "kick her ass" would be no better than her cheating.
I'll play as always, testing my own skills. Q&A is for me more like challange against myself, not challenge against others. I don't mind Tsumomo (or anybody else) beeing at the higher place than me, if only she follows fair play. There is nothing better than a good match with a skilled oponent :)

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yay I totally agree with bloo!! I love challanges, and to have some nice match with ppl who are equial with you, so you can push yourself more to be better while your opponent does the same! That's what keep the world in moving :))

good luck on Q and A!

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@Bloo

You personify Sherlock Holmes, mate. "Very elementary" on pointing the culprit red handed. I salute you to that. Very well done.

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At first I thought, "wow another person who's acting like a sore loser great." But now as I read along, I shake my head in disappointment. I never thought Tsumomo would do such a thing like this at all. I mean she does get angry and all but usually doesn't do anything too bad... But yeah report this and hope you win with this whole situation. ._.

bloo, Tsumomo play cheating... this game not only for her... its for everyone who play it...

she must think about everyone.. if she lose, try to make better on next Q&A Event....

She cant accept tht she lose to u...
"Fail not meaning of Lose, and Win cannot win forever"

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That was an image of your post, saying you were Tsumomo, wasn't it?

Also two images of Kaiyane1's posts, saying he/she was Tsumomo, selling quests?

I really never thought that Tsumomo would ever do something such as this.
I guess the greed of wanting to win got to her....
So sad.

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UnrestrainedSoul wrote:

why would i make a character named after my account?

Why not? I have ;) And what's the big secret if you have to use your account name on official forum anyway? Good password and avoiding third party programs is safe enough. Weak argument.

Look... I don't mind you trying to defend yourself. But if you've chosen to keep up this "It wasn't me!" line of defence, at least do it properly.

Let's follow your "story":
Kaiyane is a friend of yours. Let's assume he was trying to help you in Q&A without asking you.
Those were assumptions. Now facts:
First thing: Character Kaiyane was not taking part in above Q&A. Therefore Kaiyane couldn't have seen the list of the players on his own eyes. Tell me, how would Kaiyane know that I'm on higher place than you? And again how would Kaiyane know the moment when I dropped to the second place (Kaiyane stopped pet express immediately when I dropped).
Second thing: I don't remember seeing both Tsumomo char and Kayiane char on Q&A in the same day. It was always you in wednesday Q&A and Kaiyane during saturday Q&A. One character cannot go twice a week to Q&A therefore it is common to bring your alt the other day. That's the same reason why me and my girlfriend use our chars alternately on Q&A. Not seeing Tsumomo and Kaiyane in the same time on Q&A is another reason to make me believe those are alts of the same person.
Another clue: as can be seen on screenshots in first post, Danish bread was one of the things expressed to me among other items.
http://wlodb.com/topics/3534
Danish Bread (and Stone Ball) is one of the items that can be obtained from Sweets Pack, wich are saturday's Q&A prize. That points that Kayiane probably took part in saturdays Q&A.
Third thing: Kaiyane character suddenly dissapeared the day after my posts here and on WLO forum. I can't even add it to blacklist. Looks like wiping off the fingerprints.

Look, I like storytelling, but I don't like looking at people who don't know when to stop going deeper into lie. Save your face or at least what is left of it. I hope you DO UNDERSTAND that you're trying to refute a really solid proofs.
I'm not about to make you banned, and it was never my intention. I just don't want you to do such nasty tricks anymore. Nor you nor any other player.

Last edited Sun, 14 Feb 2010, 4:40am by Lateralus

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Do you see answer marked or unmarked below? Yeah, I thought so.
Marking answer takes me usually no more than 1-1,5 second. So I have 4,5 second until end of question, and about 3 second interval before new question. I have had more than enough time to click chat, make a screenshot, and close chat. I never chat during Q&A, it deconcentrates.

Please, stop dumb arguments, or I'll close this topic, before it turn into flamewar, leaving you without any way to save your face.

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UnrestrainedSoul wrote:

why would i make a character named after my account? Thats more or less a noob move to get their accounts hacked. btw i found out who it was that did it. it was someone i recommended to join wlo, from gaiaonline. if you want i'll post the information from buzz.igg.com
here's the link of the character and IP address
also the images of SC chat

http://wlodb.com/files/service_center_chat.PNG
http://wlodb.com/files/service_center_chat2.PNG
http://wlodb.com/files/untitled.PNG

(or you can find the image on the home page under files

lol funny that doesn't prove anything

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UnrestrainedSoul wrote:

graverobber wrote:

UnrestrainedSoul wrote:

why would i make a character named after my account? Thats more or less a noob move to get their accounts hacked. btw i found out who it was that did it. it was someone i recommended to join wlo, from gaiaonline. if you want i'll post the information from buzz.igg.com
here's the link of the character and IP address
also the images of SC chat

http://wlodb.com/files/service_center_chat.PNG
http://wlodb.com/files/service_center_chat2.PNG
http://wlodb.com/files/untitled.PNG

(or you can find the image on the home page under files

lol funny that doesn't prove anything

it proves more than what you know

it proves crap anyone can easily change their isp or hop on someones else network and create an alt and say its someone else pretending to be them hahahahahaha go cheat again weak minded cheater

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