As many of you have, I am sure, noticed there are many threads talking about the horrible prices for even basic materials on other servers. I have a plan in order to help this and I am curious how many will follow this plan with me.

My plan is to set a guide of great to decent prices for basic materials and set a standard mark up percentage for compounded goods.

For example here is a list of basic materials found on North Island by easy means (Item pools / spawns)

Coconut 10-15

- 2 Coconuts spawn on SB every 1.5 minutes. This turns into 80 an hour should you be willing to walk back and forth between the trees. That being said coconuts are really common even for north island. Coconuts are a cheap source of Naptha and Tar both used for many things.

Cotton 5-10
Harl Grass 5-10

- Cotton and Harl are of course used to make many many things. But they are both very common on north island. There is no reason these should cost more than 10 considering with the collection skill you have a chance to get up to 5 every 3-5 minutes from the item pool.

Sulfur 50-100
Coal Ore 2-3
Copper Ore 2-3
Tin Ore 3-4
Iron Ore 4-5
Aluminum Ore 25-50
Quartz 25-50

- Prices here vary a bit due to rarity Coal, Tin, Copper, and Iron being very common and easy to get should be sold for only 1-2 more than the npc will pay. Aluminum, I assume many people don't realize that compounding it with a base Rock will 99% of the time return a base Aluminum, therefore Aluminum ore is just as good as Hard Aluminum Plates and everything in between. Quartz and sulfur are slightly more rare. Considering the easiest way to get them is an item pool and they are each the rarest in the item pool they are worth a little more.

Clay 2-3
Red Clay 3-4
White Clay 3-4
Black Clay 3-4
Grey Clay 3-4
Dry Clay 3-4
Yellow Clay 3-4

- All Clays. No matter color or type should be 1-2 higher than npc price.

Oak 20-30
Wood 20-30
Lauan 15-25
Ordinary Wood 10-15

- Considering woods are one of the most needed materials in the game demand is higher. Therefore they are worth a bit more. Lauan being the most useless (unless you travel by making a boat a lot) is worth less. It is also the most common. Wood being used in the manufacturing of everything is worth a bit and Oak being a bit more rare is also worth a bit more. Also think of this. When you cut a piece of wood you get 2 halves. Why should half a piece of wood be worth more than 50% of the cost of the wood.

Now should a decent following choose to do this we can discuss prices for other materials including the more rare materials and increases in price for compounds/manufactures. Also I will start recording the data in a spreadsheet so it is cleaner to look at. One more thing we should do if enough people are willing to give this a shot is come up with a code to put atop our tents so people can see our decent priced shops much easier.

Please consider this. Cheaper Items mean they will sell faster. Also many other threads have mentioned that people will buy the lower priced materials to sell them higher. I say let them. If they waste their money trying to turn an 'easy' profit they will be disappointed because we can gather those materials again and again. They are free materials to gather. It only takes time.

Also this is not a /rant about IM prices. They pay cash for those items so they can sell them at what ever price they can get. I am more concerned with things that can be found free in game and why the prices that used to be so set in stone have risen well beyond what they are worth.

Last edited Wed, 02 Sep 2009, 6:55am by Felixoo7

saving this post for the spread sheet and any other important information.

Last edited Wed, 02 Sep 2009, 6:55am by Felixoo7

i would help you with your plan but i'm in virgo not in cancer XD

All things considered I am talking about basic materials that are easily found right now. Anyone on any server could follow this plan seeing as spawn rates and such are the same.

go on Felixoo7 !

Gonna start a spread sheet with all the basic materials and we can start from there.

I have a few questions...

For me, cotton is much harder to find than harl grass, because it is much easier and quicker to find yellow dragonfly than the dragonfly that drops cotton (I think it's called sky dragonfly???). And if you get cotton from cirrus, it still should be more expensive, coz cirrus is much harder to kill than dragonflies. Currently, I recycle the headbands bought from Welling to get cotton, so it is expensive to get cotton for me. Also, I don't understand how you can get "up to 5 every 3-5 minutes from the item pool", because a vacuum collects every 5 minutes, and if you click manually, you collect every 4 minutes, and a big vacuum collects every 3, so I dont know how you can even get 2 in 5 minutes...

Moving on, I personally think copper ore is harder to find than iron ores, because I always get more iron ores than copper ores after 1 hour of afk in kelan cave, so I think copper ore should be more expensive.

About woods, I dont see why oak is so expensive, because you dont really use it a lot... and also i get oak a lot when I am trying to find wood, and now I have almost 3 stacks of oak, so it should be same price as lauan. And you missed out cypress on that list.

Final word, why do we want to keep things cheap anyway??? I REALLY want the market price to go up like hell, because then I can sell things for a much higher price! In fact, it is much better to have prices go up, because then we can buy more things from NPC. E.g. if you wanna buy 1 lauan from NPC, which costs 30g, and you sell harl grass for 5g, you will need to sell 6 harl grass; but if the market price is really high, like 60g for 1 harl grass, you can buy 2 wood from NPC if you just sell 1 harl grass!!!

Dont keep thinking "OMG! THAT's SO EXPENSIVE!" but think "YES! I CAN EARN MORE MONEY THAN EVER!"

Cotton 5-10
Harl Grass 5-10
omg..in virgo it's
Cotton 70-150g
Harl Grass 20-50g

Radical wrote:

I have a few questions...

For me, cotton is much harder to find than harl grass, because it is much easier and quicker to find yellow dragonfly than the dragonfly that drops cotton (I think it's called sky dragonfly???). And if you get cotton from cirrus, it still should be more expensive, coz cirrus is much harder to kill than dragonflies. Currently, I recycle the headbands bought from Welling to get cotton, so it is expensive to get cotton for me. Also, I don't understand how you can get "up to 5 every 3-5 minutes from the item pool", because a vacuum collects every 5 minutes, and if you click manually, you collect every 4 minutes, and a big vacuum collects every 3, so I dont know how you can even get 2 in 5 minutes...

I am not talking about fighting. I am talking about natural resources from Item Pools. Cotton and Harl spawn at the same rate in the grass item pool north of Kelan. The reason you can get 1-5 every 3-5 minutes is because with the collection/mining/cutting skills you get an increased chance to get more and more rare items. I have seen one of my alts collect 5 harl at the same time with collection level 11. Also you can click manually on an item pool every 3 minutes.

Radical wrote:

Moving on, I personally think copper ore is harder to find than iron ores, because I always get more iron ores than copper ores after 1 hour of afk in kelan cave, so I think copper ore should be more expensive.

Copper ore may be more rare. But it is much less useful. Look at the number of items made using Iron Ore, Iron Materials, Steel. You will find many more using these materials than Copper. At most copper is typically used for making wires for electronics (typically winding).

Radical wrote:

About woods, I dont see why oak is so expensive, because you dont really use it a lot... and also i get oak a lot when I am trying to find wood, and now I have almost 3 stacks of oak, so it should be same price as lauan. And you missed out cypress on that list.

I did not miss cypress, since I am talking only about resources found without fighting right now. Oak is worth as much as wood because it is more rare (from the item pools) and it is used for many things including high level compounding (Propellers and Vertical Wings).

Radical wrote:

Final word, why do we want to keep things cheap anyway??? I REALLY want the market price to go up like hell, because then I can sell things for a much higher price! In fact, it is much better to have prices go up, because then we can buy more things from NPC. E.g. if you wanna buy 1 lauan from NPC, which costs 30g, and you sell harl grass for 5g, you will need to sell 6 harl grass; but if the market price is really high, like 60g for 1 harl grass, you can buy 2 wood from NPC if you just sell 1 harl grass!!!

Dont keep thinking "OMG! THAT's SO EXPENSIVE!" but think "YES! I CAN EARN MORE MONEY THAN EVER!"

Aside from compounding materials and equipment there is not a single item that should ever be bought from an NP (exception Custard Tarts for the kids in Holy). Also your example sucks. I recommended selling Harl for 5.

The reason to keep things cheap, aside from the fact stated above, is because each server gets new players everyday. And these players will want to explore the features of the game as well. If basic materials are way above what they can afford they will likely get discouraged and find a different game to play. Each new player in the worlds is another potential Alchemist, Burst Partner, IM buyer, ect. I don't see why we should chase them away when in the end the only thing they can do is help others in the game.

P.S. Feel free to overprice. But be sure that on cancer there will always be a decent stock of cheap materials.

Eyes wrote:

Cotton 5-10
Harl Grass 5-10
omg..in virgo it's
Cotton 70-150g
Harl Grass 20-50g

Your lucky... Cheapest I can find Cotton/Harl is 90 here on cancer.

wow, I never knew that you can collect 5 harl at the same time... but it must have taken long to lvl ur collection skill...

oh well, thanks for replying

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wait, do you mean that with high collection/mining/cutting skills, you can collect more than 1 material everytime, and you collect more often? I just thought the skills give you better chances of getting rarer stuff...

Last edited Fri, 04 Sep 2009, 6:03pm by Radical

Its one of the easiest skills to level actually.

Collection goes up every time you time you click an item pool that contains; Grass, Clay, or Water

Cutting is Woods

and Mining is Ores, Rocks, Jades, and Gems

I have not checked into what skill affects Crude Oil or Mercury but I would but its mining.

I think this is a great idea, I had stopped playing wlo for 8 months and when I came back everything was so expensive=_=
I think go and follow your line at Gemini, although gemini isn't that expensive, I think. well I just looked around and it's more expensive then I thought^^;
What do you think cotton cloth and dye should be sold for? I get lot's of it since I lvl at mummies. I'm already underpricing hair dye, since too many sell them and it's not a special item anymore.
I'll start and try to do this all for gemini^^ If you have more tips please give them^^

Felix,

The Crude Oil and Mercury are from the Mining Skill. I have recently sent a fresh batch of alts (all Mining LVL 1) to collect some crude for me. So it is the mining skill that affects their rate.

No one should set a high price to get a quick gold fix. It is an epidemic that is sweeping the WLO Universe (I am from Aries myself with units in other servers). Botters would be the main reason a greedy person's item sells. Once those are gone and people are educated on what is the right price, those that overprice will still have to wipe the dust from their wares.

We will have to understand, that many people are just downright lazy that don't want to work hard like the rest of us, and we gets no sympathy for them. I have up to 8 running at one time across 4 systems, and you cannot believe how much stuff I get that sometimes I nearly place them at half price than what you offer there, Felix, LOL. Sometimes I donate to people that really needed it and not turn that into a quick profit fix.

But yeah, those skills are easy to level up if you just have them suck all day from the collection points. Fishing is the hardest cause, well, you cannot put that on AFK when you are getting a lot of stuff that you have to stop your character and dump to make room to get the meter going up again, LOL.

Anyway, I will be glad to see this list and compare it to the foundation's listing of what prices should be. I am also creating this on an excel sheet to use on all servers on a percentage scale depending on population and poverty level.

Kalima, I think I have seen Hair Dye selling for like 700g-750g on Gemini, this was like about a few months back. Cotton cloth should sell no more than 120g-150g and Dye, I have seen one being sold for 60g. Maybe because the guy was lucky enough to score a surplus.

Good Luck and Game On.

Radical wrote:

I have a few questions...

For me, cotton is much harder to find than harl grass, because it is much easier and quicker to find yellow dragonfly than the dragonfly that drops cotton (I think it's called sky dragonfly???). And if you get cotton from cirrus, it still should be more expensive, coz cirrus is much harder to kill than dragonflies. Currently, I recycle the headbands bought from Welling to get cotton, so it is expensive to get cotton for me. Also, I don't understand how you can get "up to 5 every 3-5 minutes from the item pool", because a vacuum collects every 5 minutes, and if you click manually, you collect every 4 minutes, and a big vacuum collects every 3, so I dont know how you can even get 2 in 5 minutes...

Moving on, I personally think copper ore is harder to find than iron ores, because I always get more iron ores than copper ores after 1 hour of afk in kelan cave, so I think copper ore should be more expensive.

About woods, I dont see why oak is so expensive, because you dont really use it a lot... and also i get oak a lot when I am trying to find wood, and now I have almost 3 stacks of oak, so it should be same price as lauan. And you missed out cypress on that list.

Final word, why do we want to keep things cheap anyway??? I REALLY want the market price to go up like hell, because then I can sell things for a much higher price! In fact, it is much better to have prices go up, because then we can buy more things from NPC. E.g. if you wanna buy 1 lauan from NPC, which costs 30g, and you sell harl grass for 5g, you will need to sell 6 harl grass; but if the market price is really high, like 60g for 1 harl grass, you can buy 2 wood from NPC if you just sell 1 harl grass!!!

Dont keep thinking "OMG! THAT's SO EXPENSIVE!" but think "YES! I CAN EARN MORE MONEY THAN EVER!"

What happens when the server runs dry of gold and those assholes just sit on their money and dont move because they want #1 gold rank ?
What will you do then ?
Nobody will buy your stuff, you wont buy other people's stuff...
What more can I say ?
total server shut downn.

Spoiler:

hmm...cotton, harl grass easy to get when u training at pine.kill cirrus(lev 35+) to have fruit pollen, fruit nectar..and then recycles(give them into the resource recycling) u will get random some flower(rose 15g+).harl grass= recycles vine grass(if got straw mushroom,compound it with turpentine or vine=tomato juice 10-15g each).more info click recycles in this website.its the fast way to leveling and earn money at same time